11 June 2019 – No Lies! And We Play a Game of WWPZD

Often, a PZ Myers lie takes the form of an assertion or description of something or someone he doesn’t like. Yesterday’s lie about the Paleo Diet is a perfect example. PZ doesn’t like the diet, but can’t figure out a clean way to attack it on its own merits, so he lies about it and attacks that lie instead.

We thought that might happen today as PZ described a weird neo-Nazi group called the Legion of St. Ambrose, but it turns out his description was essentially correct. We see posts like this occasionally when PZ can’t find anything else to rant about. He’ll see something about a random extremist group with twelve members somewhere in the south and go off about how horrible they are.

Actually, that’s not quite true. The groups he chooses to ridicule aren’t random, they are always groups he can tie in some way to the right.

Here, he uses the religious fundamentalism of the Legion of St. Ambrose to tie them to the conservative Christian right, but it’s not so simple.

According to the Anti-Defamation League, the. Legion of St. Ambrose:

aspires to create a theocratic totalitarian state built on principles of early Christianity with progressive allowances for labor unions, healthcare, criminal rehabilitation and environmental protection.  Members believe that white people are suffering from the negative influences of modernity, capitalism, and communism.


Were this a strictly radical leftist group – like Antifa – with violent tendencies or rhetoric, PZ would not utter a word about them. If he approves of your group’s aims – i.e. you’re on the same side as him – then he’ll not spend an ounce of effort criticizing you. We guess that if the Legion of St. Ambrose shed their religiosity, PZ would stay mum, as almost everything else in the ADL description of the group is right up his alley.

What Will PZ Do, A Prediction:

We’ve only been operating a little less than two weeks and right now our influence is non-existent. We average something like ten views a day, which is a couple orders of magnitude less than a ten hour video of paint drying.

But eventually, we’re confident someone will alert him to our presence. What will PZ do then?

There is a chance, because we’re human beings and not perfect, that we will have made a mistake he can pounce on and make it seem as if it’s representative of our whole operation. We’ll do everything we can to prevent that from happening, but we could have an off day, miss a check, or do something outside the norm which results in an uncharacteristic bad call. If that happens, we’ll cop to it, but it won’t matter to PZ. It won’t matter how many lies we’ve caught him in, all of it will be invalid due to one single mistake.

That’s most likely what PZ will do, but there is another possibility: PZ will just lie about us.

It makes sense, right? He lies about almost everything else, so why not us? He’ll likely claim we’re right-wing (wrong) Christians (wrong) who are harassing him (wrong) in order to get him fired from his job a UMM (wrong). It won’t matter that everything about it is wrong, he’ll say it anyway and try to turn us into something we’re not.

That’s our prediction, anyway.

There’s a chance he reads through each of the lies we’ve documented and decides he should correct the record and be more careful how he argues in the future. And if he did so, we’d consider shuttering this site for good.

But we don’t see any possibility PZ will do that, so we expect to be at this for a long, long time.

Final Tally:

Today: 2 science-related posts and 2 posts on other stuff.

Since 30 May 19: 13 science-related posts, 41 non-science posts.

24% of PZ’s posts on a “science blog” have been about science. 

Today: 0 PZ Myers Lies

Since 30 May 19: 18 PZ Myers Lies

Over to you, PZ. Until tomorrow.