14 June 2019 – The One Where PZ Forces Us to Defend a Creationist

We started reading PZ Myers for the atheism, before we were turned off by all the other lies he was peddling, so we opened Pharyngula today and thought, “Oh goodie! PZ’s taking on Ken Ham again.”

We were underwhelmed, to say the least.

We could run KenHamwatch.com standing on our head, but that wouldn’t be very interesting to us. He is a true believer. He won’t be swayed by facts or reason or truth. He thinks he knows what the truth is – the Word of God – and he follows it to the letter. That strikes us as a little sad but not very compelling.

PZ, on the other hand, claims to value facts and reason and truth, although we have our doubts. So when Ken Ham decided to take credit for ‘solving’ a “great paleontological mystery” there were any number of ways PZ could have chosen to truthfully attack him.

He chose to lie instead.

PZ Myers Lie:

“I am sorry, Mr Ham, but your flood, if we postulate that it even happened, was a prolonged, violent event of unimaginable magnitude. Your own site describes it as a year-long global catastrophe that destroyed the pre-Flood world, reshaped the continents, buried billions of creatures, and laid down the rock layers. Yet when it’s convenient, you now claim that it was a delicate, swift event that froze animals in motion. It reshapes continents, but it leaves a few fish unperturbed.



Both Ken and PZ are writing about a pretty cool article describing a school of 259 fish seemingly frozen in time. In the article, there is some dispute over how the fish were fossilized in such a manner, which leads to the dispute here. The scientists who have looked at the fossil aren’t sure how the fish got that way, but Ken Ham thinks he knows.

PZ unfortunately doesn’t represent that proposal in anything close to an honest manner. Here is Ham’s explanation:

“Since I start with the history in God’s Word, I have the proper lens with which to view the world. This school of fish was catastrophically buried by water-borne sediments during the immediate aftermath of the global flood of Noah’s day. It’s no great mystery!”


Ham does not call it a “delicate” event. To the contrary, he calls it catastrophic. Additionally, PZ quotes Ham’s site as saying the flood “buried billions of creatures.” We think that’s pretty consistent with what he’s saying here, that these 259 fish were “buried by water-borne sediments.” In other words, the quote PZ uses to try to discredit Ham actually bolsters Ham’s argument – such as it is. We want to stress here that Ham’s argument is, in a sense, magical. He’s saying that falling sentiment from a flood a few thousand years ago can explain those fish fossils, when it doesn’t come close to doing any such thing.

We’d like to give PZ the benefit of the doubt here, we really, really would, but any objective observer would conclude that he lies about Ham’s argument here. That doesn’t make Ham’s argument right, but it does make PZ’s argument a lie.


Forget the fact that these 259 fish were fossilized over 50 million years ago. Forget all the other geologic and biological evidence discounting the idea that these fish were NOT buried in a flood a few thousand years ago. Forget all that – PZ has a mission.

He badly wants to catch Ham in a lie that is contradicted by both the Bible and Ham’s own site. It’s effective when we do it with PZ’s own words, but PZ is used to lying, not ferreting out the truth, so he has to make stuff up to get where he wants to go.

If anyone ever accuses us of running up the score (like the women’s soccer team) on PZ, we’re going to point them to posts like this. There are easily three or four lies about Ham in this post, but we chose to aggregate them all into one post that shows, among other things, how pathological PZ’s lying has become.

He had a lay-up here, but he chose to back off and shoot a three and then lie about it going in when it never even touched the rim. (Ok, that’s the last sports metaphor for us for awhile)

Final Tally:

Today: 2 science-related posts and 2 posts on other stuff.

Since 30 May 19: 17 science-related posts, 51 non-science posts.

25% of PZ’s posts on a “science blog” have been about science. 

Note: Most of PZ’s posts on science since 30 May have been dedicated to a spider data gathering initiative. There have been precious few posts on anything else having to do with science. When the spider initiative is complete, we’ll take a look at the numbers and parse out how much other science content he provides.

Today: 1 PZ Myers Lie

Since 30 May 19: 21 PZ Myers Lies

Over to you, PZ. Until tomorrow.