12 July – PZ Myers May Be Incoherent, But That Doesn’t Mean He’s Lying UPDATE: PZ Lies Again About Steven Pinker

SEE UPDATE BELOW:

If PZ Myers ever acknowledges this site or makes notice of the fact his lies are being documented on the internet, he will come after us. He’ll attack us for being right-wing racists or some other such nonsense, and the only thing we’ll have to fall back on is our integrity. That means we won’t ever call something a PZ Myers Lie if we can’t positively document it as such.

He gave us a great example today:

I’ve noticed that all the centrists shut up for a week after the fascists murder someone and never discuss it at all, for some reason. So at least there’s a way to silence one group contributing to the discourse. Unfortunately, that one group gets twice as vocal when someone gets dampened by a milkshake.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/07/12/too-much-truth/#comments

There is so much here we could unpack. How many fascist murders have there been? Who are they? Who are these centrists? Are they really shutting up? For realsies, do they never discuss an actual murder committed by a fascist? And does that same group get twice as loud when someone gets a milkshake thrown at them?

It’s all nonsense. We doubt PZ could come up with a single example to justify this claim, but we still can’t call it a lie.

We will note this as yet another example of PZ Myers attempting to normalize antifa violence. Remember, antifa didn’t just throw milkshakes at people a couple weeks ago in Portland, they beat multiple people so badly they had to be taken to the emergency room.

One of them was a journalist who still suffers from the effects of the beating.

Ironically enough, that’s something PZ doesn’t want to discuss at all. It’s hypocrisy. It’s incoherence. But it’s not a lie.

UPDATE:

PZ published a late blog post slamming Steven Pinker for, well, for roughly the same thing PZ Myers did. We’ll explain below.

PZ Myers Lie:

[Pinker] “disliked” and had a “longstanding distaste” for Epstein, and finds his behavior “reprehensible”, yet still he appeared at multiple events with him, assisted in an indirect way in his defense (which he now regrets), and this is the first time he has openly repudiated him. This is confirmation of what people have found objectionable about Pinker, that he is silent in the face of repulsive behavior, that he let Epstein associate himself with Harvard and took advantage of the Epstein jet, and only now, after he’s finally getting dragged off to his just reward (maybe), does he come out with this stuff.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/07/12/pinker-speaks-up-at-last-about-epstein/

Facts:

This is a variation of the lie PZ told yesterday about Harvard’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. PZ himself posted a long excerpt from Pinker’s post explaining that Pinker flew on Epstein’s jet well before Epstein’s crimes were made public. And as we reported yesterday, Epstein had no association with Harvard following the exposure of his crimes in 2006, so there is no way Pinker could have “let Epstein associate with Harvard” once he knew he was a criminal. And the link PZ posts to substantiate the charge that Pinker is “silent in the face of repulsive behavior” directs to PZ’s own post from yesterday, the one in which we found a lie.

Analysis:

Here we go again. PZ’s lies are refuted in part by the very source material he cites. But this isn’t the real doozy – that’s up next.

PZ Myers Lie #2:

I first publicly criticized Jeffrey Epstein in 2011, and I didn’t even know him and have never met him! What took Pinker so long?

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/07/12/pinker-speaks-up-at-last-about-epstein/

Facts:

We can find no record of PZ Myers publicly criticizing Jeffrey Epstein by name in 2011. In the above quote, PZ is most likely referencing this post, in which he criticizes Epstein’s crimes, but never names him publicly. In fact, we can find no record of PZ Myers publicly criticizing Jeffrey Epstein by name until 2015.

Analysis:

If you don’t believe us, have a look for yourself. It’s possible PZ criticized Epstein by name in a forum other than Pharyngula, but if he did we could find no record of it online.

We will modify this post if we ever find evidence refuting this determination.

But, there’s another thing that’s interesting about PZ’s claim. If you’ve been paying attention, you know Epstein was convicted of sex crimes in 2006 [Correction: his crimes became public in 2006. He was convicted in 2008]. PZ criticizes Pinker for waiting until 2019 to repudiate him, but what was PZ doing waiting until 2015 (or even 2011, as he claims)? PZ, by his own logic, should have denounced Epstein right after his conviction. Why did he wait 5-9 years?

Hypocrisy, thy name is PZ Myers.

Final Tally:

Today: 1 science-related post, 6 posts on other stuff

Since 30 May 19: 45 science-related posts, 125 non-science posts.

26% of the posts on a “science blog” are about science. 

Today: 2 PZ Myers Lies

Since 30 May 19: 55 PZ Myers Lies

Over to you, PZ. Until tomorrow.

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